Protestant/Other Christians

This was very clever. A friend posted it on my site.

“When someone tells me they are non-denominational — I tell them I am pre-denominational.”

For those who don’t get it:  pre-denomination means “before the Protestant Reformation (read: Rebellion).” The Protestants gave birth to the multiplying denominations. Before them there was the pre-denomination — the Catholic Church.

By the way, the term “denomination” derives originally from “taking a new name.”

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Rayla sent me an email and gave me permission to share it. Calvary Chapel (my wife Janet was associated with them in her younger days) boasts that 80% of their members are “ex-Catholics.” Thanks for sharing Rayla!

I came across your blog and am very impressed. After being raised Baptist, them attending Calvary Chapels for 20 years, I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy, for many of the same reasons you converted to the Roman Catholic Church. 

I got so sick of the anti-Catholic rants (which to my shame, I used to believe), the ridicule of Catholic theology, especially  pertaining to the Holy Mother of God, the constant focus on the end of the world and the ridiculous Rapture theory, and the awful rock music.

But most of all I got tired of the smugness and surety that they are God’s cutting-edge church on earth. Not to mention most of them are so ignorant of church history and actually think that the early church believed and worshipped the way Evangelical Protestants do now. 

I was bitter for a while, angry, feeling I’d been duped. But I’ve come to regard members of Calvary Chapel (especially the young ones) and those in similar denominations as being like natives in the deep jungles. They just don’t know. They know nothing about church history before Martin Luther. 

Anyway, I do not engage with them, unless challenged, and even then I am careful. 

When I realy realized the problems with Protestantism, (it is said that to study Church history is to not remain Protestant), I was amazed that I didn’t see them before. Twenty thousand + denominations and they don’t agree, something clearly the Bible is against, that and the stripping away of the sacraments and not honoring the Holy Mother…What a disaster. Now I can see it so clearly. Thank God I’m out!

May God rich bless you and your family.

See similar articles I’ve posted about mega-churches:

Mega-church Mania: One Mom’s Observations (she’s a good writer) and Observations from the Early Church 

As A Baptist I Never Asked: “What Did the First Christians Do on Sunday Morning?” 

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Baptists at the Council of Nicea?

by Steve Ray on December 28, 2017

Nicea, August 24, A.D. 325, 7:41 p.m.    “That was powerful preaching, Brother Athanasius. Powerful! Amen! I want to invite any of you folks in the back to approach the altar here and receive the Lord into your hearts. Just come on up. We’ve got brothers and sisters up here who can lead you through the Sinner’s Prayer. Amen! And as this Council of Nicea comes to an end, I want to remind Brother Eusebius to bring the grape juice for tomorrow’s closing communion service . . .”

Ah yes, the Baptists at the Council of Nicea. Sound rather silly? It certainly does. And yet, there are those who claim the Church of Nicea was more Protestant in belief and practice than Catholic. I recently read an article in The Christian Research Journal, written by a Reformed Baptist apologist, who argued this very point.

St. Athanasius, the Catholic Bishop

No, I’m not making this up. The article, “What Really Happened at Nicea?” actually claimed the Fathers of the Council were essentially Evangelical Protestants.

As a trained patristics scholar, I always feel a great deal of sadness and frustration when I encounter shoddy historical “scholarship,” whether it be in the pages of The Watchtower, a digest of Mormon “archaeology,” or a popular and usually well-produced Evangelical Protestant apologetics journal. But this article was so error-laden, so amateurishly “researched,” and so filled with historical and theological fallacies, that I simply couldn’t let it stand without response.”

Council of Nicea

For the full article “‘Ancient Baptists’ and Other Myths” by Fr. Hugh Barbour, O.Praem. – click HERE.

Read more about St. Athansius, the star theologian at the Council of Nicea. Dave Armstrong’s article proves the full Catholic teaching of St.Athansius and the Council of Nicea. Click HERE.

 

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The Dark Side of Luther – by Steve Wood

November 22, 2017

The Dark Side of Luther  (View online version at Steve Woods site here)     This is the last of my newsletters responding to the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. I’m sending you some of the overlooked statements of Luther revealing his thoughts on Catholics, his claim to infallibility, and his hatred of the […]

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Evangelicals with Statues?

November 16, 2017

A while ago I took off running through a commercial area behind the hotel where I was staying while doing a parish mission. I discovered a nice jogging trail through the woods so I swung onto the trail and headed through the trees. Soon I came into the open to see a beautiful lake. A […]

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White Supremacy, Black Power, to Islam, then the Road to Damascus: My Journey into the Fullness of the Christian Faith

October 21, 2017

Follow Dustin through the phases of his life including Islam until he finally discovered the Catholic Church. Maybe you’re like me (aside from being born with Cerebral Palsy and defying doctors’ pronouncements, by the grace of God, that I would be confined to a wheelchair and relegated to a vegetative state). Maybe you grew up […]

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Protestant Acknowledges “Five Things We Lost because of the Reformation” – one of the best I’ve read on it

October 15, 2017

This article was published by Nick Page in Premier Christianity Magazine in October 2017. He is trying to help Protestants understand that there were problems created by the Protestant movement. He explains five big loses: 1) Loss of unity, 2) Loss of monasteries, 3) Loss of silence, 4) Loss of “doing things”, and 5) Loss […]

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Eternal Security: Is Baptist Pastor Charles Stanley Right?

September 29, 2017

ETERNAL SECURITY (Once Saved-Always Saved): Analyzing a Sermon by Baptist Pastor, Charles Stanley By Steve Ray Hello Protestant Friend: Even though I have watched his show off and on over the months, I had no intention of watching Charles Stanley on television last night. It was just that I was tired after getting home and […]

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Germany 7: Protestants Argue in Marburg Castle, a Birthday Party and more

September 13, 2017

Today we visited Marburg which is a quaint and historic town with the beautiful Bavarian looking houses and buildings. No one wanted to leave. Up on the mountain was the castle of Marburg where Luther, Melanchthon, Zwingli and a large group Protestants gathered to try and hammer out the “Protestant theology.” I explain more in […]

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Vatican to Release Stamp Honoring Martin Luther

September 9, 2017

(Reposting this from earlier this year — now that we are in Germany following this schismatic and arguing with him along the way)January 18, 2017 (Catholic World News) The Vatican will issue a stamp to honor Martin Luther this year, marking the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. The Vatican regularly issues stamps to mark […]

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Arrival in Germany for the 500th Anniversary of Protestant Devolution

September 7, 2017

Our group all arrived today in good order in Berlin for the start of our Germany tour. We are going to follow the footsteps of Martin Luther and the Protestant Deformation. I know that it’s called the Protestant “Reformation” but as a convert to the Catholic Church I realize now that it was not a […]

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Luther’s Departing Comments on the Result of his Revolt

September 7, 2017

A quote from Luther toward the end of his life, after he had surveyed the results of his revolt: “Since we have commenced to preach our doctrine,” he said in one of his sermons, “the world has grown daily worse, more impious, and more shameless. Men are now beset by legions of devils, and while […]

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The Bible out of Context: “Saved by Faith Alone”?

July 4, 2017

When reading the Bible devoid of its historical and textual context, there is no context except the context which any person might supply for it. or put otherwise, A text without a context is a pretext. I always get frustrated when self-proclaimed Bible students or teachers start pontificating about the meaning of the Bible and […]

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Should Catholics Attend Non-denominational or Ecumenical Bible Studies?

May 18, 2017

Every day, Catholics are invited by coworkers, neighbors, and even family members to “ecumenical” Bible studies. Should they go? Certainly all of us would benefit from more study of Scripture, but as someone who has been a part of a number of Protestant Bible studies—I’ve even taught them—I discourage Catholics from attending them because of […]

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JOHN MacARTHUR: MANDATED BY GOD

May 14, 2017

I posted this letter by Karl Keating of Catholic Answers about 10 years ago but it’s worth reading again.… JOHN MacARTHUR NEEDS TO TALK WITH ROSALIND MOSS Before she became a Catholic, staff apologist Rosalind Moss used to be a member of John MacArthur’s congregation, Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. He runs a […]

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Yes, Christians Do Have an Assurance—but Not an Absolute Assurance—of Salvation

May 14, 2017

By Dave Armstrong: Many Protestants understand being “saved” as a one-moment-in-time act of repentance and acceptance of Jesus Christ as one’s “personal Lord and savior” (a phrase that nowhere appears in the Bible, by the way), a life-changing transformation of “lost” sinner who becomes a “saved” child of God. They believe this to be an […]

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